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		<title>Comment on Southside Presbyterian Church: Transforming the Heart of America Part II by Alice Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks, Fred, this is such important ongoing work.... you did sub &quot;tuscaloosa&quot; for tucson in part 2.&lt;em&gt;Thanks Alice, I am having trouble editing.&lt;em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, Fred, this is such important ongoing work&#8230;. you did sub &#8220;tuscaloosa&#8221; for tucson in part 2.<em>Thanks Alice, I am having trouble editing.</em><em></em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by bstr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 22:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your response. My idea is not so grand as to ask of mourners to become evangelical, but only that when recognition is made at departure it is the business of those who can most honestly address meaning in the life of the dead. This may be difficult to identify in many cases, but in this case it looks direct. In general &quot;cultural misappropriation&quot; stirs up a lot of nit-picking, but I do feel that is what the burial by a Christian oriented faith would be. I do not want to sound snarky, but I&#039;ve been to funerals where a minister unacquainted with the dead goes on and on saying pap. And I&#039;ve been to funerals where the family and friends conducted the service. The second style just seems a better fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your response. My idea is not so grand as to ask of mourners to become evangelical, but only that when recognition is made at departure it is the business of those who can most honestly address meaning in the life of the dead. This may be difficult to identify in many cases, but in this case it looks direct. In general &#8220;cultural misappropriation&#8221; stirs up a lot of nit-picking, but I do feel that is what the burial by a Christian oriented faith would be. I do not want to sound snarky, but I&#8217;ve been to funerals where a minister unacquainted with the dead goes on and on saying pap. And I&#8217;ve been to funerals where the family and friends conducted the service. The second style just seems a better fit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by bstr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 16:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an atheist I disagree with the idea of being returned to a creator. It is my idea that what matters is what takes place here, during ones life. Following that thought how can one stand on the side of love and discredit what seems to represent the life of an individual. Tamerlane was responsible for great violence, that will be his historical signature. But he obviously acted out of a cause. That cause is directly related to his own cultural-faith group. While it is nice of UUs and other like-minded faith groups of the Christian branch of Abraham to wish he could be buried, at some point it must be recognized that this is not our fight. It is his communities task to resolve his actions with his life and that complex with its faith community. An enormous task, obviously. But I would think that for respect as much as for love it would be left to them to work, work, it out.

&lt;em&gt; As a Non-theist myself, my use of the word creator is metaphor for the earth/universe. The elements which make up our bodies do indeed come from the earth/universe and when we die if we allowed our bodies to disintegrate instead of embalming and entombing them, they would indeed return to the earth and be fodder for new creation be it plant or animal. I do not believe in an entity that is a creator.  

My writing here reflects the Universalist side of our heritage. It is inline with that theology. Agree or disagree, that is the theology of our Universalist forebears. And as Unitarian Universalists we need to understand how that theology would be played out in our current realities. 

Your thoughts are also important in this conversation.  They reflect, whether you meant them to or not, another wise man&#039;s thoughts read metaphorically--&quot;let the dead bury their dead.&quot; Ultimately, the family of Tsarneav did work it out within their faith community albeit under continued controversy.&lt;/em&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an atheist I disagree with the idea of being returned to a creator. It is my idea that what matters is what takes place here, during ones life. Following that thought how can one stand on the side of love and discredit what seems to represent the life of an individual. Tamerlane was responsible for great violence, that will be his historical signature. But he obviously acted out of a cause. That cause is directly related to his own cultural-faith group. While it is nice of UUs and other like-minded faith groups of the Christian branch of Abraham to wish he could be buried, at some point it must be recognized that this is not our fight. It is his communities task to resolve his actions with his life and that complex with its faith community. An enormous task, obviously. But I would think that for respect as much as for love it would be left to them to work, work, it out.</p>
<p><em> As a Non-theist myself, my use of the word creator is metaphor for the earth/universe. The elements which make up our bodies do indeed come from the earth/universe and when we die if we allowed our bodies to disintegrate instead of embalming and entombing them, they would indeed return to the earth and be fodder for new creation be it plant or animal. I do not believe in an entity that is a creator.  </p>
<p>My writing here reflects the Universalist side of our heritage. It is inline with that theology. Agree or disagree, that is the theology of our Universalist forebears. And as Unitarian Universalists we need to understand how that theology would be played out in our current realities. </p>
<p>Your thoughts are also important in this conversation.  They reflect, whether you meant them to or not, another wise man&#8217;s thoughts read metaphorically&#8211;&#8221;let the dead bury their dead.&#8221; Ultimately, the family of Tsarneav did work it out within their faith community albeit under continued controversy.</em> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by Angie Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angie Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a very loving and gracious word, I could not agree more, thank you Fred]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a very loving and gracious word, I could not agree more, thank you Fred</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by Wava</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Standing on the side of love isn&#039;t always easy or popular.
In our heart, though, we know this is the right thing to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standing on the side of love isn&#8217;t always easy or popular.<br />
In our heart, though, we know this is the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by Sharon Walls</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Walls]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 21:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So very well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So very well said.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by Ellen Bachman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellen Bachman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 20:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Fred, for the rigor of your faithful analysis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Fred, for the rigor of your faithful analysis</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcoming Tsarnaev home by Alice Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 18:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good, Rev. Fred, though I do understand the concerns of those in MA who were concerned the grave might be desecrated...by those who do not get the larger picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good, Rev. Fred, though I do understand the concerns of those in MA who were concerned the grave might be desecrated&#8230;by those who do not get the larger picture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HB 57: How to Shut Down a Woman&#8217;s Right to Choose by Petra</title>
		<link>http://serenityhome.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/hb-57-how-to-shut-down-a-womans-right-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-2513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Petra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note:  I have been publishing these comments from this reader because I respect her experiences. Keep in mind these are one person&#039;s experiences in a culture that has demonized and stigmatized choices women make over their own body. My publishing this comment and the others by this writer does not, however, alter my belief of a woman&#039;s right to choose. I will not be publishing any additional comments by this writer because she should have her own blog instead of using mine as a platform. This will be the last comment I will publish.  I will be writing another blog post to respond more fully to the issues this writer raises.&lt;/em&gt;
 
Regardless of the ultrasound law&#039;s intentions, its effects are beneficial in every instance. 

Persuasion, personification, explanation, manipulation, traumatization, or any other subjective form of communication is neither necessary nor utilized while performing the ultrasound procedure.  Ultrasound technology produces an image constructed from radiofrequencies and mathematics.  Only the unborn child in the flesh is a more objective representation of the subject in view.

As for me...I am haunted NOT by my baby&#039;s ultrasound image, but by the cries of other newborn infants in the grocery store, the nightmares of my young son falling into a ravine as his fingers slip from my hand, the sound of a vacuum cleaner, and memories of the abortion procedure itself.  I forever yearn for that moment I set my eyes on that monitor and cried, because I am certain that, had I not been medicated, I would have told the doctor to stop, and then left that place with my baby.

As for other women...for several years I have been a sidewalk counselor at the same abortion clinic.  I have watched hundreds of women come and go, in all states of mind. I have witnessed maybe two or three dozen leave the clinic smiling (sometimes even laughing) as they announce to all of us, &quot;I changed my mind.  I couldn&#039;t do it!&quot;  A substantial number of those are either holding their ultrasound printouts, or telling us that their minds were changed by them.  Some of them leave quickly, perhaps to distance themselves from the whole situation.  Some of them stop to share their joy and to thank us.  Some of them cry and hug everyone within their reach.  Sometimes the person(s)accompanying them are also crying. One thing I know is this--not one single woman who announces that she has changed her mind or leaves the clinic prematurely appears to be upset.  They always seem happy and relieved.  The only people I have ever seen angry in such an instance are males who drove them there.  Sadly, one such man was the teenage girl&#039;s uncle, of whom she told me she was afraid. Interestingly, parents seem relieved, but reserved and eager to depart without fanfare.I am convinced that the &quot;ultrasound mandate&quot; does not traumatize abortion patients.  Instead, it affords them one last chance to consider the reality of their condition and the weight of the action they are taking.  Even women who are &quot;dead set&quot; on going through with the procedure sometimes change their minds, and again, they do not regret their decisions to allow their babies to live.

I have met hundreds of post-abortive women since &quot;coming to terms&quot; with my loss (which actually occurred several years after my abortion).  Factors which have brought us to that point include more recent pregnancies which developed to term, pregnancies of sisters or close friends, nursing school rotations in neonatal units, and sometimes the inability to conceive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note:  I have been publishing these comments from this reader because I respect her experiences. Keep in mind these are one person&#8217;s experiences in a culture that has demonized and stigmatized choices women make over their own body. My publishing this comment and the others by this writer does not, however, alter my belief of a woman&#8217;s right to choose. I will not be publishing any additional comments by this writer because she should have her own blog instead of using mine as a platform. This will be the last comment I will publish.  I will be writing another blog post to respond more fully to the issues this writer raises.</em></p>
<p>Regardless of the ultrasound law&#8217;s intentions, its effects are beneficial in every instance. </p>
<p>Persuasion, personification, explanation, manipulation, traumatization, or any other subjective form of communication is neither necessary nor utilized while performing the ultrasound procedure.  Ultrasound technology produces an image constructed from radiofrequencies and mathematics.  Only the unborn child in the flesh is a more objective representation of the subject in view.</p>
<p>As for me&#8230;I am haunted NOT by my baby&#8217;s ultrasound image, but by the cries of other newborn infants in the grocery store, the nightmares of my young son falling into a ravine as his fingers slip from my hand, the sound of a vacuum cleaner, and memories of the abortion procedure itself.  I forever yearn for that moment I set my eyes on that monitor and cried, because I am certain that, had I not been medicated, I would have told the doctor to stop, and then left that place with my baby.</p>
<p>As for other women&#8230;for several years I have been a sidewalk counselor at the same abortion clinic.  I have watched hundreds of women come and go, in all states of mind. I have witnessed maybe two or three dozen leave the clinic smiling (sometimes even laughing) as they announce to all of us, &#8220;I changed my mind.  I couldn&#8217;t do it!&#8221;  A substantial number of those are either holding their ultrasound printouts, or telling us that their minds were changed by them.  Some of them leave quickly, perhaps to distance themselves from the whole situation.  Some of them stop to share their joy and to thank us.  Some of them cry and hug everyone within their reach.  Sometimes the person(s)accompanying them are also crying. One thing I know is this&#8211;not one single woman who announces that she has changed her mind or leaves the clinic prematurely appears to be upset.  They always seem happy and relieved.  The only people I have ever seen angry in such an instance are males who drove them there.  Sadly, one such man was the teenage girl&#8217;s uncle, of whom she told me she was afraid. Interestingly, parents seem relieved, but reserved and eager to depart without fanfare.I am convinced that the &#8220;ultrasound mandate&#8221; does not traumatize abortion patients.  Instead, it affords them one last chance to consider the reality of their condition and the weight of the action they are taking.  Even women who are &#8220;dead set&#8221; on going through with the procedure sometimes change their minds, and again, they do not regret their decisions to allow their babies to live.</p>
<p>I have met hundreds of post-abortive women since &#8220;coming to terms&#8221; with my loss (which actually occurred several years after my abortion).  Factors which have brought us to that point include more recent pregnancies which developed to term, pregnancies of sisters or close friends, nursing school rotations in neonatal units, and sometimes the inability to conceive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HB 57: How to Shut Down a Woman&#8217;s Right to Choose by Petra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Petra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to the qualifier preceding this comment...during my more recent experience(than 20 years ago) in an Alabama abortion clinic, the doctor did not follow protocol, but instead allowed me to view the ultrasound of my eight week-old fetus only after I requested to see the monitor, and after I had been sedated.  Although I was crying very loudly and was in obvious distress, he proceeded with the abortion.  In spite of the small size and poor resolution of the monitor, I was able to make out the baby&#039;s head.  This is typical of many abortion experiences, not excluding those occurring in the state of Alabama  

By 4 weeks, the mammalian fetus has a detectable heartbeat, and by 7 weeks, has a neurological system and responds to tactile stimulation.  Keep in mind that most women don&#039;t realize that they&#039;re pregnant until at least 6 weeks after conception.

&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: This has been changed in Alabama. The law currently states that all women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound and to be shown (not wait to be asked) the photographs of this ultrasound. I agree with the Guttmacher Institute&#039;s belief (http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RFU.pdf) that this law is a veiled attempt to personify the fetus to dissuade the woman who has chosen to have an abortion. There are better ways to reduce the need for abortions than this emotionally manipulative and traumatic procedure.&lt;/em&gt;   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the qualifier preceding this comment&#8230;during my more recent experience(than 20 years ago) in an Alabama abortion clinic, the doctor did not follow protocol, but instead allowed me to view the ultrasound of my eight week-old fetus only after I requested to see the monitor, and after I had been sedated.  Although I was crying very loudly and was in obvious distress, he proceeded with the abortion.  In spite of the small size and poor resolution of the monitor, I was able to make out the baby&#8217;s head.  This is typical of many abortion experiences, not excluding those occurring in the state of Alabama  </p>
<p>By 4 weeks, the mammalian fetus has a detectable heartbeat, and by 7 weeks, has a neurological system and responds to tactile stimulation.  Keep in mind that most women don&#8217;t realize that they&#8217;re pregnant until at least 6 weeks after conception.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: This has been changed in Alabama. The law currently states that all women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound and to be shown (not wait to be asked) the photographs of this ultrasound. I agree with the Guttmacher Institute&#8217;s belief (<a href="http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RFU.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RFU.pdf</a>) that this law is a veiled attempt to personify the fetus to dissuade the woman who has chosen to have an abortion. There are better ways to reduce the need for abortions than this emotionally manipulative and traumatic procedure.</em>   </p>
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